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		<title>By: David Bradley</title>
		<link>http://www.reactivereports.com/chemistry-blog/cervarix-death.html/comment-page-1#comment-405</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish you hadn&#039;t mentioned 2012. But, regardless I&#039;m closing comments on this post now. I think it&#039;s run its course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish you hadn&#8217;t mentioned 2012. But, regardless I&#8217;m closing comments on this post now. I think it&#8217;s run its course.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Crawford</title>
		<link>http://www.reactivereports.com/chemistry-blog/cervarix-death.html/comment-page-1#comment-404</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not suggesting a conspiracy per se. Profits come before people here. Profits come before pigs too so you can enjoy your bacon sandwich, but speciesism is a whole other debate. And I guess when I refer to the old paradigm I really refer to the current one which is past it&#039;s sell-by date. Once a critical mass of people is living consciously on a spiritual plane these discussions will be irrelevant. There&#039;s alot riding on 2012. But until then....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not suggesting a conspiracy per se. Profits come before people here. Profits come before pigs too so you can enjoy your bacon sandwich, but speciesism is a whole other debate. And I guess when I refer to the old paradigm I really refer to the current one which is past it&#8217;s sell-by date. Once a critical mass of people is living consciously on a spiritual plane these discussions will be irrelevant. There&#8217;s alot riding on 2012. But until then&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: David Bradley</title>
		<link>http://www.reactivereports.com/chemistry-blog/cervarix-death.html/comment-page-1#comment-403</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope...I sit in neither camp to be honest, just here reporting on what&#039;s happening and trying to inspire discussion. I know that sounds lame, but personally I cannot make up my mind either way. I certainly don&#039;t think it&#039;s the uber-conspiracy you allude to, but I do recognise that profits come before people far too often. As to being a scientist from the old paradigm, I&#039;m not that either. But, I also enjoy a good bacon sandwich too much to become a vegan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope&#8230;I sit in neither camp to be honest, just here reporting on what&#8217;s happening and trying to inspire discussion. I know that sounds lame, but personally I cannot make up my mind either way. I certainly don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the uber-conspiracy you allude to, but I do recognise that profits come before people far too often. As to being a scientist from the old paradigm, I&#8217;m not that either. But, I also enjoy a good bacon sandwich too much to become a vegan.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Crawford</title>
		<link>http://www.reactivereports.com/chemistry-blog/cervarix-death.html/comment-page-1#comment-402</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You surprise me. It appears that you have done some research on this, yet can&#039;t see the woods for the trees. Oh, I get it. You too are a scientist from the old paradigm whose livelyhood depends on the outdated structures and belief systems of our recent past not being revealed for what they really are. God bless you, Mr Bradley.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You surprise me. It appears that you have done some research on this, yet can&#8217;t see the woods for the trees. Oh, I get it. You too are a scientist from the old paradigm whose livelyhood depends on the outdated structures and belief systems of our recent past not being revealed for what they really are. God bless you, Mr Bradley.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Crawford</title>
		<link>http://www.reactivereports.com/chemistry-blog/cervarix-death.html/comment-page-1#comment-401</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please know this: It is well documented that the smallpox and measles death-rate had declined by about 95% BEFORE any measles vaccination had been introduced. This was due to better nutrition, clean water, and improved living conditions. This cannot be denied. It is a black and white fact, with records to back it up, and even pretty plotted timeline graphs to push it home. 

The Guardian post from 2002 is yet another piece of scaremongering properganda penned by a scientist whose livelyhood is funded by the medical profession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please know this: It is well documented that the smallpox and measles death-rate had declined by about 95% BEFORE any measles vaccination had been introduced. This was due to better nutrition, clean water, and improved living conditions. This cannot be denied. It is a black and white fact, with records to back it up, and even pretty plotted timeline graphs to push it home. </p>
<p>The Guardian post from 2002 is yet another piece of scaremongering properganda penned by a scientist whose livelyhood is funded by the medical profession.</p>
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		<title>By: David Bradley</title>
		<link>http://www.reactivereports.com/chemistry-blog/cervarix-death.html/comment-page-1#comment-400</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well on that we are agreed, but that wasn&#039;t what you seemed to imply.

But, like I said I&#039;ve previously written about this area and in essence agree - http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/mmr-and-statistics.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well on that we are agreed, but that wasn&#8217;t what you seemed to imply.</p>
<p>But, like I said I&#8217;ve previously written about this area and in essence agree &#8211; <a href="http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/mmr-and-statistics.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/mmr-and-statistics.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim Crawford</title>
		<link>http://www.reactivereports.com/chemistry-blog/cervarix-death.html/comment-page-1#comment-399</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m fully aware of the differenct between life expectancy at birth and natural lifespan. The inclusion of infant mortality rates in calculating life expectancy creates the mistaken impression that earlier generations died at a young age; Europeans were not dying en masse at the age of 46 in 1907. The fact is that the maximum human lifespan — a concept often confused with &quot;life expectancy&quot; — has remained more or less the same for thousands of years. The idea that our ancestors routinely died young (say, at age 40) has no basis in scientific fact.

The billions of people PREhistory about which you speak did not live under the same environmental conditions as historically where humans have been subject to environmental aspects not conducive to health.

Following a raw vegan diet IS living to our biological nature. Take a look at The China Study: http://www.thechinastudy.com/. 

And look at chimpanzees, with whom we share around 98% of our DNA. They don&#039;t have a high mortality rate. They mostly live to 40/50 years, which is their natural biological lifespan. And what do they eat? A raw vegan (apart from aphids/termites etc.) diet. Chimps do eat meat occasionally; not for nutritional gain, but rather as a means to make political bonds. I suggest the &#039;hunter&#039; element of the scavenger hunter-gatherers was for the same reason. The most health-giving diet to maximise human biological requirements does not include meat.

Obvious up-front risks? Do the research. See the start of my last post: &quot;It is well-documented that steep falls in fatal diseases which are now routinely vaccinated against, e.g. diphtheria, measles and whooping cough, occurred BEFORE the introduction of vaccination. Indeed, death rates had fallen by as much as 95% in the pre-vaccine era.&quot;

The information is out there, but you do have to look!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m fully aware of the differenct between life expectancy at birth and natural lifespan. The inclusion of infant mortality rates in calculating life expectancy creates the mistaken impression that earlier generations died at a young age; Europeans were not dying en masse at the age of 46 in 1907. The fact is that the maximum human lifespan — a concept often confused with &#8220;life expectancy&#8221; — has remained more or less the same for thousands of years. The idea that our ancestors routinely died young (say, at age 40) has no basis in scientific fact.</p>
<p>The billions of people PREhistory about which you speak did not live under the same environmental conditions as historically where humans have been subject to environmental aspects not conducive to health.</p>
<p>Following a raw vegan diet IS living to our biological nature. Take a look at The China Study: <a href="http://www.thechinastudy.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thechinastudy.com/</a>. </p>
<p>And look at chimpanzees, with whom we share around 98% of our DNA. They don&#8217;t have a high mortality rate. They mostly live to 40/50 years, which is their natural biological lifespan. And what do they eat? A raw vegan (apart from aphids/termites etc.) diet. Chimps do eat meat occasionally; not for nutritional gain, but rather as a means to make political bonds. I suggest the &#8216;hunter&#8217; element of the scavenger hunter-gatherers was for the same reason. The most health-giving diet to maximise human biological requirements does not include meat.</p>
<p>Obvious up-front risks? Do the research. See the start of my last post: &#8220;It is well-documented that steep falls in fatal diseases which are now routinely vaccinated against, e.g. diphtheria, measles and whooping cough, occurred BEFORE the introduction of vaccination. Indeed, death rates had fallen by as much as 95% in the pre-vaccine era.&#8221;</p>
<p>The information is out there, but you do have to look!</p>
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		<title>By: David Bradley</title>
		<link>http://www.reactivereports.com/chemistry-blog/cervarix-death.html/comment-page-1#comment-398</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smallpox.

This highlights the case nicely from 2002 - http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2002/jan/21/publichealth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smallpox.</p>
<p>This highlights the case nicely from 2002 &#8211; <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2002/jan/21/publichealth" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2002/jan/21/publichealth</a></p>
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		<title>By: David Bradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve said as much about disease rates elsewhere. But, natural lifespan is not the same as average life expectancy at birth. If you die young of an acute infection you are not going to live a long life. Billions of people throughout prehistory died prematurely of diseases against which a vaccine today will protect them.

I don&#039;t think that following a vegan diet is living to our biological nature - we are most likely to have been scavenger hunter-gatherers millennia before we could hunt or farm, so have most likely always had meat in our diets. Dairy no, but meat yes.

Of course the industry has a vested interest and people do need to be properly informed, but not vaccinating against obvious up-front risks seems blinkered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve said as much about disease rates elsewhere. But, natural lifespan is not the same as average life expectancy at birth. If you die young of an acute infection you are not going to live a long life. Billions of people throughout prehistory died prematurely of diseases against which a vaccine today will protect them.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that following a vegan diet is living to our biological nature &#8211; we are most likely to have been scavenger hunter-gatherers millennia before we could hunt or farm, so have most likely always had meat in our diets. Dairy no, but meat yes.</p>
<p>Of course the industry has a vested interest and people do need to be properly informed, but not vaccinating against obvious up-front risks seems blinkered.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Crawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 13:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not so.

It is well-documented that steep falls in these fatal diseases which are now routinely vaccinated against, e.g. diphtheria, measles and whooping cough, occurred BEFORE the introduction of vaccination. Indeed, death rates had fallen by as much as 95% in the pre-vaccine era.

The natural biological lifespan of a human is around 80 to 100 years and always has been. There are numberous records of peoples from different cultures living for this length of time throughout history. 

The life expectancy that you refer to relates to the past 2,000 years or so - mediaval times, the industrial revolution etc. The average life expectancy of a human that isn&#039;t exposed to damp and squallid living, working and sleeping conditions but to a clean, warm, dry environment, who washes their hands after going to the toilet, who takes moderate exercise, breathes fresh air, drinks clean water and eats an organic, raw vegan diet (i.e. is living according to their biological nature) will live on average into their 80s and beyond. NO VACCINATIONS REQUIRED (in fact, vaccinations reduce longevity - they are poisons injected directly into the bloodstream which weaken the immune system).

Check out the statistics: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clifford.g.miller/risks.html#Government_Scaremongering

There&#039;s a good reason why most people vaccinate: FEAR - Backed by multibillion dollar industries. And IGNORANCE - the facts are out there - but too much is at stake economically. Glaxosmithkline etc. need to people to remain ignorant. Remove the blinkers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not so.</p>
<p>It is well-documented that steep falls in these fatal diseases which are now routinely vaccinated against, e.g. diphtheria, measles and whooping cough, occurred BEFORE the introduction of vaccination. Indeed, death rates had fallen by as much as 95% in the pre-vaccine era.</p>
<p>The natural biological lifespan of a human is around 80 to 100 years and always has been. There are numberous records of peoples from different cultures living for this length of time throughout history. </p>
<p>The life expectancy that you refer to relates to the past 2,000 years or so &#8211; mediaval times, the industrial revolution etc. The average life expectancy of a human that isn&#8217;t exposed to damp and squallid living, working and sleeping conditions but to a clean, warm, dry environment, who washes their hands after going to the toilet, who takes moderate exercise, breathes fresh air, drinks clean water and eats an organic, raw vegan diet (i.e. is living according to their biological nature) will live on average into their 80s and beyond. NO VACCINATIONS REQUIRED (in fact, vaccinations reduce longevity &#8211; they are poisons injected directly into the bloodstream which weaken the immune system).</p>
<p>Check out the statistics: <a href="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clifford.g.miller/risks.html#Government_Scaremongering" rel="nofollow">http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clifford.g.miller/risks.html#Government_Scaremongering</a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s a good reason why most people vaccinate: FEAR &#8211; Backed by multibillion dollar industries. And IGNORANCE &#8211; the facts are out there &#8211; but too much is at stake economically. Glaxosmithkline etc. need to people to remain ignorant. Remove the blinkers.</p>
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